Thursday, May 03, 2012

TWEETING THE SARKOZY-HOLLANDE DEBATE

Looking back on last night's 2 hour and 50 minute marathon (start from the bottom):


csdickey ‏ @csdickey

EARLY, PARTIAL POLLS SUGGEST HOLLANDE IMPROVED HIS STANDING IN DEBATE (AND HE ALREADY LED BY 6 POINTS). Atlantico http://www.atlantico.fr/decryptage/rendez-soir-pour-suivre-que-francais-pensent-debat-en-direct-mediaprism-347882.html

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COULD SARKOZY SQUEAK BY WITH 50.2%? THIS MODEL (NOT REALLY A POLL) SUGGESTS HE MIGHT: http://www.atlantico.fr/decryptage/electionscope-modele-qui-trouve-nicolas-sarkozy-gagnant-50-2-bruno-jerome-344603.html

2h    ‏ @csdickey

Fact checking the Sarkozy-Hollande debate (in French on Rue89) http://www.rue89.com/rue89-presidentielle/2012/05/03/de-la-zapatera-au-bristol-petits-et-gros-mensonges-du-debat

10h    ‏ @csdickey

So, Le Debat is over. The spin continues on cable news stations, but the rest have gone back to American cop shows, including The Closer.

10h    ‏ @csdickey

@tunkuv So, bottom line, debate not likely to have closed the chasm that looms between Sarkozy and frontrunner Hollande in the polls.
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10h    ‏ @csdickey

@tunkuv Has 'le debat' sealed Sarkozy's fate? -- The only opinion likely to have changed: Hollande has a spine. Otherwise, reaffirmations.
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10h   ‏ @HalaGorani

Sarkozy gets last word bc Hollande spoke first. Appeals to voters who chose other candidates in 1st round. #france2012
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10h   ‏ @moutet

Sarkozy appeals to Marine Le Pen's voters - Hollande interrupts to say he does, too! #LeDébat
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10h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande conclusion rejects Sarkozy's fearmongering.

10h   ‏ @ericpape

In first hour, focus group sees no victor, but is surprised by feisty Hollande. http://www.atlantico.fr/decryptage/rendez-soir-pour-suivre-que-francais-pensent-debat-en-direct-mediaprism-347882.html
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10h   ‏ @FrancoisF24

Sarkozy: Algeria holds key to security in Sahara, important for fate of French hostages in Sahel
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10h    ‏ @csdickey

LeDebat almost over ...

10h    ‏ @csdickey

In discussing Mali, Niger, etc , and the French hostages held by AQ in Maghreb, not much difference, but Sarkozy obviously better versed.

10h   ‏ @pierrehaski

Sarkozy ne rappelle pas qu'il avait envisagé de tout arrêter en Afgh. en jan., après le meurtre de Français par 1 soldat afghan. #LeDebat
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10h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande: "I consider the mission to be finished" in Afghanistan.

10h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy says getting out of Afghanistan is technically impossible --but his main thrust is to talk about horrors of Taliban.

10h   ‏ @HalaGorani

Hollande: You think I knew DSK'S private life? How would I know that? #france2012
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10h    ‏ @csdickey

Afghanistan -- Hollande wants French troops out before the end of this year.

10h   ‏ @FrancoisF24

2h31 minutes in. Tempers flare. Accusations of nepotism fly. Sarkozy drops his name. Strauss-Kahn.
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10h   ‏ @ericpape

Sarkozy attacks Hollande over DSK -- looks desperate and unpresidential, especially since the prez appointed DSK to lead IMF #ledebat
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10h   ‏ @moutet

Battle of the sleazy hotels - Le Bristol (fundraising at) vs. Le Carlton (girls, girls, girls). #LeDébat
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10h   ‏ @moutet

And we've reached the nuclear option - the name of #DSK has been invoked. #LeDébat
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10h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy now throws Strauss-Kahn into the debate, saying he has nothign to learn from a party that supported DSK.

10h   ‏ @HalaGorani

Debate almost over and it's about to end on a nasty note. Sarkozy just called Hollande "a little slanderer!" #france2012 #ledebat
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10h    ‏ @csdickey

"Merci de votre arrogance," says Sarkozy. (This and "I am not your student" have subtext that Sarko never made it through top schools.)

10h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande hitting at Sarkozy for acting like a party leader instead of a president.

10h    ‏ @csdickey

Going into this, polls showed only about 11 percent of voters might have their minds changed by the debate. I think at the end, far fewer.

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Being president of the republic is not a "normal" job says Sarkozy, hitting back at Hollande's core theme.

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande's refrain, "I, as President of the Republic...." precedes each of those things he will do that's not Sarkozy-like.

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy closes by talking about his experience in office, Hollande closes by talking, in effect, abt France's experience of Sarkozy.

11h    ‏ @csdickey

I don't see how the moderators (if so they are) can figure out who has talked more, Sarkozy and Hollande have been talking at same time.

11h   ‏ @FrancoisF24

Sarkozy on Fessenheim, nuclear safety: Fukushima triggered by a tsunami. Is there a risk of tsunami on the banks of the Rhine?
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12h ‏ @jrug

I'm watching live Sarko Hollande tv debate in a bar in Hollande's constituency of Tulle and nobody's taking slightest bit of notice. Ha!
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11h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande says will only close one nuke plant in next five years, which dates from 1977. Sarkozy wants to keep it, says its safer than in 77.

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande notes that other countries with large dependence on nukes are Ukraine (read, Chernobyl) and Japan ... Fukushima.

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande wants to reduce dependency from 75 percent to 50 percent nukes and replace with alternatives.

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Now on to the nuclear issue that Sarkozy has been trying to raise all night. France gets about 80 percent of its electricity from nukes.

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy and Hollande debating who will be tougher enforcing law against "burqa," worn by perhaps 3000 of 3 million Muslim women here

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande calling out Sarkozy on the scare mongering about separate hours for women at pools and halal meat in schools ...

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande taking Sarkozy to task for saying the reason not to give immigrants the local vote is because they'd vote on religious lines.

11h   ‏ @pierrehaski

RT @francetvinfo: Au sujet du droit de vote des étrangers, vous pouvez consulter cette infographie du Figaro.fr. http://bit.ly/JUaCHP
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11h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarko making his big bid for the LePenists now

11h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy is emphasizing and reemphasizing the African and Islamic nature of immigrants as a reason they shouldnt vote in local elections

11h ‏ @NabilaRamdani

#Hollande favours vote for immigrants at local elections. So did #Sarkozy five years ago but never acted on it. #LeDebat
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11h   ‏ @araissi

Must say both candidates kick ass compared with Gordon Brown v David Cameron. That was so bad we thought Nick Clegg was good.
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11h ‏ @lemondefr

Sarkozy et Hollande s'affrontent sur les attaques personnelles de leurs proches http://lemde.fr/ICQrl9
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11h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy very pleased with himself when discussing detention centers for immigrants, catching Hollande out on legalisms.

11h   ‏ @FrancoisF24

rt @stefandevries Immigration in France is largely below the European average, Messieurs @fhollande and @NicolasSarkozy
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11h   ‏ @ericpape

@fhollande Translated - Hollande: "Don't confuse yourself with France." One of Sarkozy's weaknesses in the eyes of the electorate. #ledebat
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11h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy says he will cut immigration in half ...

11h François Hollande François Hollande ‏ @fhollande

Je considère que l'immigration légale doit être maitrisée mais nous ne pouvons pas instaurer des critères hors d'atteinte. #VoteHollande
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11h    ‏ @csdickey

Once again the debate becomes a numbers game ...

11h Présidentielle 2012 Présidentielle 2012 ‏ @leParisien_2012

Echange tendu : #Hollande : "Répondez à ma question !" #Sarkozy : "Je ne suis pas votre élève !" http://live.leparisien.fr/Event/Second_tour_de_lelection_presidentielle__suivez_en_direct_le_debat_televise_entre_Nicolas_Sarkozy #LeDebat
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11h    ‏ @csdickey

Ah ... now we get to immigration. ....

11h   ‏ @pierrehaski

"je ne suis pas votre élève" il l'a dit, il l'a dit! (NS) #LeDebat
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11h François Hollande François Hollande ‏ @fhollande

Ne confondez pas votre personne avec la France ! #VoteHollande
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11h    ‏ @csdickey

For much of this debate, Sarkozy has tried to turn Hollande into Zapatero, now Hollande talks about Sarko's "friend" Berlusconi ...

11h   ‏ @BFMTV

"Si on veut retrouver la maîtrise de son destin, on rembourse ses dettes, on réduit ses dépenses", selon N. Sarkozy. #LeDébat
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11h   ‏ @BFMTV

Avec pacte budgétaire, qui n'a "aucune dimension de croissance", nous "serions condamnés pour toujours à l'austérité", selon F. Hollande.
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11h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy keeps talking about Spain and its disastrous finances . Hollande says "talk about yourself."

11h   ‏ @FrancoisF24

#LeDébat Hollande: "Banks get a loan from ECB at 1% and lend at 6%. Je refuse." How?
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande - discipline of fiscal pact is good - but no measures for growth

12h   ‏ @ericpape

Hollande needs to explain how raising taxes won't undermine the economy that doesn't pass through the government...if he can #ledebat
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12h   ‏ @BFMTV

François Hollande accuse Nicolas Sarkozy d'avoir lui-même "supprimé la formation des enseignants". #présidentielle
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12h ‏ @moutet

Golly, #Hollande barks AND bites!
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12h ‏ @araissi

Sarko at Hollande: Difference between you and me, You want fewer rich, I want fewer poor? H: No u want the rich richer; the poor poorer.
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12h ‏ @pierrehaski

"Je n'ai pas à repondre à vos questions" - NS mauvais joueur. #LeDebat
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12h   ‏ @BFMTV

"Moi je protège les enfants de la République, vous, vous protégez les privilégiés", a affirmé F. Hollande à N. Sarkozy. #présidentielle
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12h   ‏ @pierrehaski

Bettencourt vs Perdriel et Pigasse ? Riches de droite et riches de gauche... Pathétique. #LeDebat
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

@HalaGorani Sarkozy's problem is that the manner in which he throws punches is what people dislike about him, even if he lands them.
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12h Présidentielle 2012 Présidentielle 2012 ‏ @leParisien_2012

#Sarkozy : "Aller dire que nous avons fait des cadeaux aux riches, c’est une calomnie, c’est un mensonge" http://live.leparisien.fr/Event/Second_tour_de_lelection_presidentielle__suivez_en_direct_le_debat_televise_entre_Nicolas_Sarkozy #LeDebat
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12h   ‏ @ericpape

Hollande's Socialist baggage vulnerability: deficits. Sarkozy has hit there. Expect far more.
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

The moderation on Le Debat really is poor. Sarkozy allowed to filibuster on every response.

12h   ‏ @HalaGorani

Hollande: you can't explain a position without being rude to the person you're speaking to. #france2012
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy is, weirdly, defending the fact that he kept the wealth tax. ...

12h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy accused Hollande of "calumny and lies" and Hollande says "you call yourself someone who pulls people together?"

12h   ‏ @HalaGorani

Hollande accuses Sarko of increasing French debt. Sarko says debt is largely structural, rest a result of economic crisis. #france 2012
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12h Markus Karlsson Markus Karlsson ‏ @markusF24

#Hollande is all of a sudden trying to beat #Sarkozy in the numbers game. I can't keep up which figure is which. #France
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

@ericpape ...Flanby flambée ....
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12h   ‏ @BFMTV

La dette publique a augmenté de 900 milliards d'euros depuis 2002, a affirmé François Hollande. #présidentielle
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12h   ‏ @pierrehaski

Sarkozy est pressé de parler du nucléaire... Ça va être chaud quand ils y seront. #LeDebat
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy keeps trying to drag in the question of "dismantling" the nuclear industry, which is a question that is supposed to come up later.

12h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy insists on "just a word to finish" in every exchange.

12h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande is combative, which will probably benefit his image. No Flanby tonight.

12h   ‏ @ericpape

Hollande pounding on rising cost of living. Sarkozy will try to save himself on security/immigration/foreign affairs. #ledebat #THEissue
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12h   ‏ @HalaGorani

Hollande to Sarko: you use the word "lie" a lot, as though it's something you feel deeply within yourself. #france2012
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12h Présidentielle 2012 Présidentielle 2012 ‏ @leParisien_2012

EN IMAGES. Les premières images du débat, c'est par ici ! http://www.leparisien.fr/election-presidentielle-2012/en-images-debat-l-arrivee-des-candidats-02-05-2012-1981158.php #LeDébat
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12h   ‏ @FrancoisF24

Sarkozy: "Let me teach you something" Hollande: "You won't teach me anything" #liveF24
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande finally calls Sarkozy out on the use of the word "lies" which Sarkozy has used repeatedly.

12h   ‏ @HalaGorani

Hollande to Sarko: What's extraordinary with you is whatever happens, you're always happy. Sarko: That's a lie. Hollande: so you're unhappy?
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

Both Sarkozy and HOllande are talking over each other, could use a little moderation.

12h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy is talking about the virtues of instilling "confidence" with his policies. (What Krugman calls "the confidence fairy")

12h   ‏ @ericpape

Hollande is diving into THE issue: declining buying power. It was Sarkozy's main 2007 promise, and his biggest failure. #debat
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande is vastly underestimating the increase in the prise of oil since 2002...

12h Garriberts Garriberts ‏ @Garriberts

"C'est pas vous qui posez les question et c'est pas vous qui donnez les notes". Hollande façon Mitterrand 81. #ledebat
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande to Sarkozy: "with you it's very simple, it's never your fault."

12h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy risks sounding like a math teacher grading Hollande on a pop quiz ...

12h   ‏ @FrancoisF24

Sarkozy: "The example to follow is that of Germany, not Greece or Spain." #Kalispera
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy keeps using the word "lies," which isn't exactly elegant. ...

12h   ‏ @ericpape

Hollande: don't compare French unemployment to Greece or Spain, compare it to Germany's -- and it it looks bad. #debat #campaign #hollande
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12h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande reminding Sarkozy that he promised unemployment would be 5 percent after 5 yrs, but now it's 10 percent.

13h ‏ @BBCWorld

Francois #Hollande tells President #Sarkozy France has "been hurt, divided and suffered" for past five years http://bbc.in/IWx96p #ledebat
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13h ‏ @HalaGorani

Sarko: Mr Hollande vy attacking me is minimizing the economic accomplishments of France. #france 2012
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13h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy comparing the increase of unemployment by 18.7 percent with much bigger increases in Spain, US, etc.

13h ‏ @ericpape

Why #Sarkozy starts this single presidential debate in France in such a hole: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/05/01/sarkozy_le_pen_france_mayday #ledebat #hollande #presidentielles
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13h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande: You need growth. You need production. Would create a public investment bank. ...

13h    ‏ @csdickey

Okay, enough etat d'esprit. How to address unemployment?

13h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy made a mistake by raising the question of peronal attacks., which any candidate might expect.

13h   ‏ @BFMTV

"Monsieur Sarkozy, vous aurez du mal à passer pour une victime", a déclaré François Hollande. #présidentielle #débat
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13h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy is talking about the language of the leftist unions that have compared him to Franco, Petain, etc. Which Hollande did not do.

13h ‏ @BFMTV

"S'il n'y a pas eu de violences" durant 5 ans, "le mérite en revient à toute la société française", selon F. Hollande. #présidentielle
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13h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy is trying to make the point that unions, which support Hollande, are confrontational. ...

13h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande - If there hasn't been violence then credit belongs to the whole of French society.

13h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy saying there was no violence, no atmosphere of civil war durng his presidency (doesn't count his time as interior minister).

13h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande - let's get back to this question of pulling people together -- which Sarkozy hasn't done a great job doing these last five years

13h    ‏ @csdickey

Sarkozy overruns time, filibustering slightly. ...

13h    ‏ @csdickey

And Sarkozy? How's he feeling? Sarkozy calls Hollande's remarks "classic", implying cliched. Multiple crises to be addressed specifically..

13h    ‏ @csdickey

First question .... How do you feel? ??? Hollande, platitudinous boilerplate. Stiff. Presidential in the old mold. Bring ppl together ...

13h    ‏ @csdickey

I love the big countdown timers for each candidate, Hollande and Sarkozy. Feels like an old game show ...

13h    ‏ @csdickey

Looks like the Kadhafi funding issue for Sarkozy's 2007 campaign neutralized pre-debate. Denials by evyone but the Mediapart reporter ...

13h    ‏ @csdickey

RT @ericpape: To win re-election #Sarkozy just needs to reduce Francois Hollande to a quivering, sobbing mess .... OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT

13h    ‏ @csdickey

Bruni and Trierweiler both stand out as they arrive at studio, Sarkozy and Hollande almost lost among the other suits.

13h    ‏ @csdickey

Hollande-Sarkozy debate about to begin...


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